The Worst Cameras Of All Time #2: The Kodak Disc Camera

Ah man, I hate doing this! I hate doing this so much that it’s been almost three years since the last time I wrote one of these “worst camera” articles. Most of you regular readers know that I am proud and fond of saying I love all cameras right?

Well, I do, I really do! That said, we can’t always have winners, not even in the camera world! So today we have another candidate for worst camera of all time, and again, as a prerequisite for me, it is another camera I have used.

Our first recipient of this distinction was the Nikon N70 film camera with its “FAN” shaped thingy! The reason I feel bad writing this today is that when I first wrote the article on the N70 in 2016, I never expected that the article would still show up on Google’s front page whenever someone types in “Worst cameras of all time.”

How could I have known that nearly three years later it would still be there?! It makes me feel bad. It makes me feel like I have “wronged” the Nikon N70 in some way!

It’s not the worst camera ever, but it might just be the worst designed Nikon and so I stand by my writings.

Today, we will take a look at a camera that I think most camera nuts and historians would agree should certainly be on this “distinguished” list and that camera is the Kodak Disc Camera.

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INTRODUCTION

The Kodak Disc Camera system was introduced by Kodak in 1982. There were several different models, of which the best known was probably the Disc 4000, the cheapest model. Other models included the 4100, the 6000, the 8000, and even a telephoto model called the Tele Disc.

If you want specifics on any on these models, please do a search on them. It is not my intention to review each model here.

MY RECOLLECTION & EXPERIENCES WITH THE KODAK DISC CAMERA

The year was 1983. My Mom, perhaps noticing my budding interest in photography got me a Kodak Disc 4000.

Now I’m not sure if I was pestering her for it or she did it herself, but somehow she brought home a Kodak Disc 4000 camera one day. As Mom had no photographic inclination, I would imagine me and my brother nagging her about it!

I remember well, Kodak had a big television and print advertising campaign on this camera! They even used celebrities if I recall correctly. It was indeed their next big thing…or so they wanted us to believe.

Using the camera was the simplest thing in the world. You drop the film in and the camera did the rest! You press the shutter and the camera winds, rewinds, decides whether or not to use flash, etc. It’s a straight up point and shoot in the best sense of the word!

YOUTUBE VIDEO

For those of you who prefer watching videos, here’s our video on the Kodak Disc Camera. The only thing missing in this article that’s on the video is me explaining how I feel about Kodak in an era where a rap star “Kodak Black” is more well known than Kodak the film company! That’s nuts! 🙂

THE KODAK DISC FILM

I don’t want to jack some picture off the internet so please do a search if you’re interested. I’ve always told people that the Kodak Disc film reminded me a lot of those circular slides they used in the children’s ViewMaster toys. You know, that classic red binocular looking toy that would illuminate slides of animals and such for children.

The disc/film itself was quite solid and thick. It didn’t bend like a 35mm negative would. It felt like a plastic disc. Apparently the thickness of the Kodak Disc film was comparable to 4×5 sheet film though it felt more solid to me, if I recall correctly.

The negatives were about 10mm x 8mm and you got 15 shots per disc. To get the best out of this film the labs had to utilize special Kodak lenses for printing, but apparently a lot of places did not use these special purpose Kodak lenses which may or may not account for lowered quality in the final print.

THE PICS

Here are just a few shots I took using the Kodak Disc 4000 circa 1983-1984. A lot of these images are like a 1980s time capsule! They are not artistic masterpieces. However, if you look at the photos you will see quite a few legends of the era in there! Plus I also think this camera helped me learn how to capture “the moment” so to speak.

Ed Koch, NYC Mayor, 1983. Kodak Disc Camera. I shouted “how am I doing?” to mimic Ed Koch’s famous slogan and he repeated it back to me! Haha!

You got to remember this was like a 13 or 14 year old kid with his first camera living in a time, pre iPhone, pre digital camera. I could not take a thousand photos and edit them to find the ones I liked best.

“Daddy Boombox” 1983. Kodak Disc 4000. Just like Archie Bunker, Dad sits on “his” couch and plays around with the new Panasonic Boombox he just bought us. The 1980s were an awesome time for electronics!

I was shooting not to post online because there was NO online! I was learning photography and shooting the moments in life, the “Kodak Moment” and I loved it! 🙂

Science Fiction Legend Isaac Asimov, 1983. Kodak Disc Camera. I shot this at a little known event in Manhattan called the “Comic Convention.” Today I believe this has grown into a huge mega-event called “Comic-Con.”

“Roddy Piper vs Jimmy Snuka” 1984. Kodak Disc Camera. The Pro Wrestling boom started in the 1980s and here Jimmy “Superfly” Snuka is about to unleash on “Rowdy” Roddy Piper!

“JC & Hoss Funk” 1983. Kodak Disc Camera. Ah I miss the 1980s. Fun and friends, that’s what it’s all about!

“Brothers” 1984. Kodak Disc Camera. Do you know any of these guys? 🙂

“Mom In D.C.” 1984. Kodak Disc Camera. The soft grainy image works well for this photo of Mom in Washington, D.C., I think.

WHY IS THE KODAK DISC CAMERA ONE OF THE ALL TIME WORST CAMERAS?

I loved the photos I got from the camera, I really did! But on a technical level, yes, I’d have to say the Kodak Disc Camera was one of the worst!

And it’s not so much the cameras themselves. The cameras were thin, sleek, automated. In many ways they were a precursor to today’s digital point and shoots.

Just like the APS Camera System, the main drawback of the Kodak Disc Camera system was the film. The 10x8mm was much smaller than 35mm film. You only got 15 shots as opposed to 24 or 36 shots with 35mm. Plus development costs were high, certainly no cheaper than 35mm.

All these factors added up to another thoughtfully designed but ill executed product. The images were soft and full of BIG GRAIN. They did not enlarge well.

And so most of the Disc cameras were off the market by 1990, though Kodak continued to produce the film until 1999. Personally, I cannot recall anyone past 1988 or so using one!

IN HINDSIGHT

The power of hindsight is a great thing. As horrible and grainy as those images were, I loved the shots I got out of the Kodak Disc Camera!

It may be part nostaligia; yes Mom gave me the camera. Yes, it was kind of like my first “official” camera that I used regularly.

But at the same time, living now in a world of beautiful, noiseless, grainless, homogenized digital images, I can appreciate the Kodak Disc Camera images more.

I would even say that if someone made this camera today, it would be a hit with a certain niche market. Lomography, lo-fi, Polaroid enthusiasts, etc. You know the crowd!

I like that stuff too but not all the time. But yes, I can appreciate it!

PRICE. AVAILABILITY. 

If seeking one of these Kodak Disc Cameras, they are plentiful on auction sites and elsewhere for very low prices. The prices are trending anywhere from $3-25 and the films are averaging $8-10.

I wouldn’t pay any more than $10 for either. This is not a product that’s likely to increase in price or regain any appreciation, which is good for us camera geeks!

CAN YOU STILL USE IT? WHERE TO DEVELOP?

Assuming you find a camera in working condition and you’re inclined to take a chance with film that’s been expired for over 20 years, chances are good that you can still get pictures out of this thing!

The development part is a little harder but apparently a few places will still develop Disc film! The one I know off hand is Dwayne’s in Kansas. The shop that famously developed the last official roll of Kodakchrome.

I’ve heard of others developing the discs themselves. I’m not sure if I’ll ever shoot Kodak Disc film again, but if I do, I’d probably try that route.

BOTTOM LINE

The Kodak Disc Camera system was an enthusiastic attempt by Camera Legend Kodak to introduce a new film format along with new cameras to take this film.

It offered conveniences such as autoload, autoexposure, and autorewind, all packaged in (then) new and slick looking cameras that explored the wonders of the electronics boom of the 1980s.

It was ultimately let down by poor image quality and high cost per shot. It gave people convenience over quality.

It was yet another example of a big company making a calculated move, assuming they knew what people are willing to accept and in the end they were dead wrong.

People want convenience, but they want quality too. The Kodak Disc Camera did not deliver the latter and eventually became one of Kodak’s biggest photographic flops and earning it a distinction as one of the Worst Cameras Of All Time!

COUNTERPOINT. COMMENTS?

How do you feel about it? Were we too hard on the Kodak Disc Camera?

Did Kodak try their best to deliver a product that offered a good compromise between convenience and quality?

Or was it yet another example of Kodak’s lack of vision and big company greed? Did they not learn from their attempts to sell and capitalize on the proprietary films (and cameras for them) they developed such as the 126mm or 828mm films?

What do you think? I’d love to know! And please don’t be mad at me for bashing Kodak. I did say that on a personal level, I LOVED the Kodak Disc Camera!

 

14 thoughts on “The Worst Cameras Of All Time #2: The Kodak Disc Camera

  1. I remember when these were new being very excited about them and wishing I could own one. I assumed that anything Kodak put out must be good! Fast forward 30 years and I realize just how itty bitty the negatives are and how lousy the resulting photos would have to be.

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    1. Hi Jim! The Kodak name was truly “Gold” back in those days and so just like you I equated it to something good. It took me years also to realize how small the negatives were. Looking back now it’s almost like, what were they thinking?! It was like the micro 4/3s of film I guess. Funny thing is with the advances made in film technology since that time I’m sure they could provide a better emulsion than what we got in the 80s. But we’ll never know I guess! Thanks for your comments 😊

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  2. Good review, Sam. Video as very good. In truth, I barely remember this camera. Being an old guy, by 1982 I had moved on to Nikons. That size negative on the Disk camera undercuts all the automatic features even as an introductory camera for beginners.

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  3. I like very much the box match photograph. It looks like a fighter summoning a demon or a god to get the victory : D so if I like a photograph I’d say I like the camera and as you say it has its charm compared to the generic efficiency of today.

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    1. Sorry for the late reply, I missed this! According to Dwayne’s Photo, one of the few places that still develop Disc film, they say the print size is 4.5 so I assume that means 4.5 on all sides? Either way from my experience it’s definitely smaller prints than standard 35mm 4×6 prints.

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  4. I too bought a Disc 4000 brand new. One thing you may not have noticed that I did is that the quality of the images from a Disc camera deteriorated – both the film/processing efforts declined and the later camera models were cheaper.
    Definitely a “worst camera of all time”, but I don’t know as how it was #2. There have been some seriously bad cameras that have no qualities in their favour. All those “snap-on” 110 instamatics for example. Same basic problem as the Disc, too small negatives, amplified by an utter disregard for quality in any other aspect of the camera.

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    1. Hi Marc! I might have been too young to notice at the time but looking back on the photos I’d say you’re right! The images seemed to have gotten grainier towards the end of my time with the Kodak Disc.

      As for #2 there’s really no order for these cameras I just put “1” and “2” as a way to differentiate them. As I love all cameras I really don’t want to put any of them in a bad light so that’s why I’ve only done two of them. But yes the Kodak gets the nod for worst! Thanks and nice hearing from someone else who had this camera! 😎📸👍🏻

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  5. I’m sure I remember correctly that I had to give up my disc camera after about 5 years because the built-in battery ran out, and was not replaceable. ( they were made to last that long) That really ticked me off because I was the family-snapshot photographer. So how can anyone even put them on E-bay as being in ‘great working order’ in the 2020’s.

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      1. Technically saying it’s in “good working order” isn’t the same as saying it’ll work “right out of the box.” It is in good working order, once you put new batteries in it – the electronics probably still work, though.

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  6. My sister got one the first thing when they came out – she always had to run with the in crowd. Me, I was still using my Minolta XD11, which I bought brand new in 1978. Still using it as a matter of fact. I tend to collect cameras and people are always giving me their old cameras. So I’ve ended up with four old disc cameras. A Kodak Disc 6100, Minolta Disc-7, Keystone 1040 Everflash and an Ansco Disc HR 20. I decided I needed to be using those disc cameras, so I finally shot my first disc camera pictures in 2020! The batteries in the Minolta were still good! so that’s the one I used first. The batteries in the Kodak were long dead. The problem I had was I couldn’t find any viable film for the pictures to turn out good and the batteries were not made to be changed by the consumer. But I solved both of those problems.

    The two “cheap” disc cameras didn’t need batteries to operate. One problem solved by using either of those. As to the lack of good film, I had to get creative. I took one of the old disc cartridges, opened it up and gutted it. By adding some padding to keep some cut-down 35mm film to lay flat in the focal plane, I’m able to get some real good shots in my disc cameras. Now, I have to do all the film loading in the dark, and I only get one shot at a time, but people really notice when I whip out a disc camera in this day age and start shooting with it!

    I’ve opened up the Kodak and as soon as I can wire a jack in it and make an external battery pack to plug in, I should be able to use that one as well.

    Here’s a link to a picture I took with the Ansco – some flowers in my yard:
    http://www.ipernity.com/doc/haarfager/51240666/in/album/1264872

    I’m going to try and insert the picture as well, but not sure it will work. If it doesn’t, I probably won’t be able to edit it and remove the code:

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